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Poster: k-otic Date: Sep 24, 2009 5:18am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: E-mail situation solution

hey hey ... what´s so funny reading the meta files of my uploads ??

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Poster: FP Date: Sep 24, 2009 8:43am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: E-mail situation solution

I've dealt with the problem in advance, since 2003, this way:
My metadata email address goes to my own domain, and it's custom to archive.org uploads. If spam to that address ever becomes a problem, I'll simply filter it to go straight to the spam folder, as I have with so many other site-specific addresses.

Anything I've uploaded with which I don't care to be associated has been done from a throwaway address. Mailinator, Hotmail, Google, and countless other services offer email addresses that can be registered in seconds with no verifying information. Mailinator is the easiest to use.

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Poster: finnobrit Date: Sep 24, 2009 10:20am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: E-mail situation solution

FP, that's true but people will only use a throwaway address if they know that the address is public. Otherwise they're likely to use a main address.

The problem isn't just that the addresses are visible, it's that they're visible without the uploaders knowing about it.

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 24, 2009 7:52pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: E-mail situation solution

The whole thing was this - I didn't know until a few days ago that you could access this info. Now if at some point point this info couldn't be viewed, who'd miss it? When i log on and look at the details pages it's because I'm browsing MOVIES, nothing else. This other stuff we've been talking about, if it wasn't there any more, who'd give a damn? I'm totally missing the point of it being there in the first place.

This post was modified by guyzilla on 2009-09-25 02:52:31

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Poster: jonc Date: Sep 24, 2009 8:42pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: E-mail situation solution

The metadata file has information on who to contact when the item is reviewed, or in the event that something is removed. I imagine that the archive uses email addresses as unique identifiers.People can change their screen names.

The archive just hasn't changed much over the years. When they first designed the site, this layout made perfect sense. That was 10 to 15 years ago, well before SPAM was a serious problem. Blocking access to these would be more than a little tinkering, it could potentially require redesigning the site. Note that the information in the details pages is taken directly from the XML files, including the metadata file.


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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 24, 2009 11:06pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: E-mail situation solution

I'm not sure there's any quick fix to the situation. I thought of ideas because I'd like to contribute something besides complaints. As far as fixing things myself, I wouldn't know where to begin.

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Poster: finnobrit Date: Sep 25, 2009 5:18am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: E-mail situation solution

It can't take that much effort simply to remove the metadata link. That's all we're asking for as a first step, and it's all it would take to stop most spammers.

The metadata would still exist and could be used by IA for contacting the uploader, but it would no longer be visible to the entire world.

Is there any real reason why everyone should see that metadata file?

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Poster: finnobrit Date: Sep 25, 2009 5:20am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: E-mail situation solution

And it makes NO sense to allow people to change their screen names while not allowing them to change e-mail addresses.

E-mail addresses will change over the years (change of preferred webmail service, change of ISP, change of employer, change of school etc).

Screen names should be the permanent point of contact to uploaders, not e-mail addresses.

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Poster: FP Date: Sep 25, 2009 7:26am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: E-mail situation solution

Wouldn't it be easy to batch-process all relevant XML metafiles? The batch could run for a few days or less, and be done. Meanwhile, new behavior could be implemented in the automatic behavior of metafile creation, so future uploads will have no email address included. The batch-process could be run on all servers and accessible backups.

I'm not a programmer or scripter, but batch text processors I've used would make it almost as simple as this rough example:
►Load *meta.xml
►replace *@* with poop@farts.com
►save/overwrite file